Wiscon Day 4 - Report 9
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julieandrewsSunday!
I got up a bit later on Sunday. Might've even slept longer if it wasn't for housekeeping. So I didn't go to the first set of panels, even though the LGBT one sounded a bit interesting. And Cliche or Trope could've been good too. I like the title of 'Phillip Pullman vs. C. S. Lewis: Smackdown!', but I haven't read any Pullman yet.
The panel in the next timeslot I wanted to go to was actually up on the party floor, so I stopped by the consuite. Very convenient. And score! Donuts!
Transgender Folks Discuss Transgender Books
M: B.H., S.K.
Yup, initials for this one. There was another panelist listed, but those are the two who were there.
It was an odd room to be in for a panel, though it had a couch and some nice chairs. We moved them into a rough circle.
This was another panel where you go and take down all the notes on the books you need to read. So here's what's in my notes.
Larque on the Wing - Nancy Springer
Identity Matrix
Steel Beach - Bartley?
Lord of Light - Zelazny
Mission Child
A Secret Woman
"The Five Senses" - This is a scientific paper
Daughters of the North - Tiptree winner this year
Archangel Protocol
Whipping Girl
Y, The Last Man - comic
Half Life - Tiptree winner
Sabriel series - Garth Nix (3rd book?)
"Frost and Fire" - Zelzany
"None of the Above" in Worlds of Women, ed. Cecilia Tan
Multiple Realities
Gendershock - Phyllis Berg
Bone Dance
And one's I've read/seen I actually jotted down some of them this time.
Shadow Man - Melissa Scott
A Civil Campaign - Lois McMaster Bujold
"Stardust" - the movie
Bone Doll's Twin series - Flewelling, I believe
A lot of books have transgender characters or mess with gender without actually reflecting the trans experience of today. Ie, if there's a magical transformation, then you're completing doing away with the process of transition and the journey. Ozma in Oz got mentioned at some point here.
In trans fantasy, meaning fantasies by and/or for trans people, the transgender characters never come out, though they may be found out.
A theme came up that came up earlier in the disability panel. "No one should be denied the right to see themselves in art." I need to dig up the exact quote on that one.
I also wrote down that trans characters are often ridiculed or are deceiving people.
One of the panelists mentioned wanting to see more trans walk-on parts. But then the difficulty of that was discussed. Ie, if they're passing, then how are you going to know they're trans in the story?
The panel also discussed works that sort of reflected the trans experience without being about transgender individuals specifically. So some of the titles I mentioned above may be that. No transgender characters or situations, but something in there that resonates with what it's like to be transgender.
Near the end, there seemed to be some confusion with the room, as people drifted in early as if expecting another program item to start. I never found out what the confusion was there.
I liked this panel and I hope there's a similar one (though not identical, or it'd be boring to second-time panel goers!) next year.
Then I hit the consuite for another donut. Well, I was passing it and everything on the way to the elevators! This was lunch break, so I hit the dealer's room. I'd been in there before mostly scoping it out. There was some plus-sized clothes, but they looked mostly like dresses. There was some jewelry. There may have been something else that didn't catch my eye. Mostly, there was books. One table had used books for cheap. I spent some time scanning them. Nothing jumped out at me and said 'Pack me in your luggage!' Though at any typical used book sale or even a used bookstore, I probably would've picked up a few.
Aqueduct Press was there and I had intended to ask what was up with the next Tiptree anthology, but then I didn't. Not that I couldn't have asked plenty of other people throughout Wiscon! I just didn't really think to do it enough or at the right times.
I bought stuff at the Small Beer Press table. The latest Lady Churchill's Rosebud Wristlet, chiefly because Caleb has a story in it. Yay, Caleb! I also signed up for a subscription because they were offering a Wiscon special. They had Magic for Beginners there in hardcover for 10$. Doh! I'd just bought it for more at the bookstore down the street. Note to self: Always hit the dealer's room first! I also picked up a couple books. Talked a bit more to Kelly Link as well, and met Gavin Grant. Since it was their table and everything, duh. :)
At another booth, and possibly on an earlier day, I bought Writing the Other by Nisi Shawl, which I kept hearing about and hearing about. So it saved me buying it online and paying shipping. Yay!
Then I visited the art show. I never, ever remember to hit the art show early on. You need to do this, or things start disappearing as they get sold off! Lots of cool stuff in there, but I don't remember any of the artists. I couldn't find business cards on any of the stuff I liked. And I'm not so into art (and am so broke) that I was going to go around taking notes. Sorry, artists! Bought a Tshirt though.
In the next post... Sunday afternoon! In which I attended two more panels and our reading. Eep.
I got up a bit later on Sunday. Might've even slept longer if it wasn't for housekeeping. So I didn't go to the first set of panels, even though the LGBT one sounded a bit interesting. And Cliche or Trope could've been good too. I like the title of 'Phillip Pullman vs. C. S. Lewis: Smackdown!', but I haven't read any Pullman yet.
The panel in the next timeslot I wanted to go to was actually up on the party floor, so I stopped by the consuite. Very convenient. And score! Donuts!
Transgender Folks Discuss Transgender Books
M: B.H., S.K.
Yup, initials for this one. There was another panelist listed, but those are the two who were there.
It was an odd room to be in for a panel, though it had a couch and some nice chairs. We moved them into a rough circle.
This was another panel where you go and take down all the notes on the books you need to read. So here's what's in my notes.
Larque on the Wing - Nancy Springer
Identity Matrix
Steel Beach - Bartley?
Lord of Light - Zelazny
Mission Child
A Secret Woman
"The Five Senses" - This is a scientific paper
Daughters of the North - Tiptree winner this year
Archangel Protocol
Whipping Girl
Y, The Last Man - comic
Half Life - Tiptree winner
Sabriel series - Garth Nix (3rd book?)
"Frost and Fire" - Zelzany
"None of the Above" in Worlds of Women, ed. Cecilia Tan
Multiple Realities
Gendershock - Phyllis Berg
Bone Dance
And one's I've read/seen I actually jotted down some of them this time.
Shadow Man - Melissa Scott
A Civil Campaign - Lois McMaster Bujold
"Stardust" - the movie
Bone Doll's Twin series - Flewelling, I believe
A lot of books have transgender characters or mess with gender without actually reflecting the trans experience of today. Ie, if there's a magical transformation, then you're completing doing away with the process of transition and the journey. Ozma in Oz got mentioned at some point here.
In trans fantasy, meaning fantasies by and/or for trans people, the transgender characters never come out, though they may be found out.
A theme came up that came up earlier in the disability panel. "No one should be denied the right to see themselves in art." I need to dig up the exact quote on that one.
I also wrote down that trans characters are often ridiculed or are deceiving people.
One of the panelists mentioned wanting to see more trans walk-on parts. But then the difficulty of that was discussed. Ie, if they're passing, then how are you going to know they're trans in the story?
The panel also discussed works that sort of reflected the trans experience without being about transgender individuals specifically. So some of the titles I mentioned above may be that. No transgender characters or situations, but something in there that resonates with what it's like to be transgender.
Near the end, there seemed to be some confusion with the room, as people drifted in early as if expecting another program item to start. I never found out what the confusion was there.
I liked this panel and I hope there's a similar one (though not identical, or it'd be boring to second-time panel goers!) next year.
Then I hit the consuite for another donut. Well, I was passing it and everything on the way to the elevators! This was lunch break, so I hit the dealer's room. I'd been in there before mostly scoping it out. There was some plus-sized clothes, but they looked mostly like dresses. There was some jewelry. There may have been something else that didn't catch my eye. Mostly, there was books. One table had used books for cheap. I spent some time scanning them. Nothing jumped out at me and said 'Pack me in your luggage!' Though at any typical used book sale or even a used bookstore, I probably would've picked up a few.
Aqueduct Press was there and I had intended to ask what was up with the next Tiptree anthology, but then I didn't. Not that I couldn't have asked plenty of other people throughout Wiscon! I just didn't really think to do it enough or at the right times.
I bought stuff at the Small Beer Press table. The latest Lady Churchill's Rosebud Wristlet, chiefly because Caleb has a story in it. Yay, Caleb! I also signed up for a subscription because they were offering a Wiscon special. They had Magic for Beginners there in hardcover for 10$. Doh! I'd just bought it for more at the bookstore down the street. Note to self: Always hit the dealer's room first! I also picked up a couple books. Talked a bit more to Kelly Link as well, and met Gavin Grant. Since it was their table and everything, duh. :)
At another booth, and possibly on an earlier day, I bought Writing the Other by Nisi Shawl, which I kept hearing about and hearing about. So it saved me buying it online and paying shipping. Yay!
Then I visited the art show. I never, ever remember to hit the art show early on. You need to do this, or things start disappearing as they get sold off! Lots of cool stuff in there, but I don't remember any of the artists. I couldn't find business cards on any of the stuff I liked. And I'm not so into art (and am so broke) that I was going to go around taking notes. Sorry, artists! Bought a Tshirt though.
In the next post... Sunday afternoon! In which I attended two more panels and our reading. Eep.
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Date: 2008-06-14 06:28 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-06-14 08:23 pm (UTC)I also recommend Luna by Julie Anne Peters. It's mainstream YA rather than genre, but very good. And there's something very appealing about the cover.
And there's a transgender character in CLAMP Psychic Case Files, which is a Japanese YA novel series that's been translated and published in English. That is genre. It reads rather like a manga tie-in novel. Ie, not exactly highly literary. :)
Then of course there's a ton of characters in anime and manga. Fushigi Yuugi would be my number one pick there.
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Date: 2008-06-14 08:36 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-06-15 04:37 pm (UTC)I believe it's John Varley.
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Date: 2008-06-15 10:59 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2008-06-16 05:34 am (UTC)Co-editor Jeff Smith
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Date: 2008-06-16 11:12 am (UTC)That's too bad about the anthology. I was looking forward to it.